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high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Maca

I really don't know what are you all trying to do here. Anet never banned ppl for anything ( not for Duncan, not for pre-searing thing..list is long), the fact that they done this now just shows how serous this thing was. Think about it, what would you do if you find out that someone has hacked your pc? Would you be furious, mad, would you like to find that person and punish him/her? I know I sure would. I was banned in WOW and I am still not sure why,I tryed to find out the reason, and gave up at the end and got new acc. ANet is trying to talk to you guys, trying to explain why they have to do this, if this happened in WOW Blizzard would bann the whole server without any explanation ( keep in mind this is a pay to play game). Maybe the problem is that ANET wasn't so firm with other things, so ppl thought this will go unpusnished as all things before it did, but you can't say this is unfair. Someone did hack the server, I am sure in this, since I really don't see the reason why would they lie about it, they never did before, they just said exploit was there and now it's not for all other things that you say are the same as this one. I would really like someone to explain me why would they lie about a hack?

getting mad about someone exploiting your personal property is totally understandable.although i think ANET have done the right thing aslong as all the bans where put in place for investigative reasons rather than rage banning everyone lol.
i hope they find the original hacker and turn him in.

Commander Ryker · Jan 13, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Another reminder.......

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Originally Posted by Inde

Okay, my brain is about to explode. From the misinformation, the repeated questions that I can find on every 5 pages of this thread, and from those who just like to do +1 posts when they could bring a conversation to PM's. I'm not sure how much longer to persist with this thread. Despite having numerous people ask for it's closure, both mods and users, it's starting to go around in circles. Everything someone needs to know from Anet is on the first page of this thread.

Everything contained in this thread is being read, tested or explained by Anet as evidence from several posts from Gaile Gray. I understand the communities frustration and yes... from some of you, betrayal and outrage. But banging our heads to try to make the other side see our point is not doing anything but contributing to the over 500 deleted posts in this thread. Not to mention countless edits. That's 1 in every 4 posts being deleted. This is a massive amount of effort over the last several days to assure that the community has a voice. That you can express your displeasure, your acceptance or your support of what ArenaNet did.

I wish that there could be some resolution for everyone... both banned, those that think it unfair, friends of those who were banned, those who have been hurt or ridiculed for this, or those simply striving to make the other side hear and understand their point of view.

But there's no end to this in sight. I think all view points have been represented in this thread. I wish there were a better way to handle this, to let those who were banned get their stories and points to ArenaNet directly for consideration but that method has been provided whether you like the answer or not... go through support.

The question of this being a hack or a bug or an oversight by Anet is not going to be resolved nor will it change ArenaNet's mind. They have seen the steps some of you have posted to contribute toward your ban or that of a friend. I have seen the arguements, the flames and the frustration.

From this point forward this thread will become strictly monitored. Any one-liner... ANY ONE LINER... will be deleted. Anymore reference to this being a QQ thread will be deleted. Any reposting of what you said 30 pages ago, will be deleted. Any analogies will be deleted. Any insult/flame or flamebait will be deleted. Any post about lawsuits/libel/defamation will be deleted. These rules are subject to change.

Try to stay on topic. Try to express your views by really posting and thinking of your responses. Stop the back-and-forth bickering and conversation mode. If we can continue with this thread in a reasonable manner with an honest debate with the information we have then I'll keep it open. Any new stories from those who were banned who would like to come forward to express their viewpoint are welcome. We'll see how this goes.

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

ok...
1- did not involve visiting forbidden outpost.
2- you get ferried to outpost. 1 time
3- kill Mallyx... you are in the area killing him, after being in the outpost 1 time.
4- get reward in mission, still in same area, still 1 time
5- Ferrier goes to GH ( rest of players I'm guessing may have /resigned and landed in post... so even though it's 2nd time there, I guess you can count it as First time for next run. To try and get to the 3 times, I will count it as First time in outpost for run # 2.
6- You go get the quest, I'm assuming in DoA, since that post has NO NPC's.
7- Go to the GH
8- Ferrier takes you to outpost.. so 2nd time there for Run #2
9- Ferrier gets the quest, so I'm guessing he leaves the party in the post while he goes to legit DoA and grab quest.
10- People go back to GH to pick up ferrier... that Means... all the times YOU went there... YOU were the one that went back to the GH to fetch him?? or the WHOLE Party did?? This makes no sense. You only NEED one player to ferry. If this was NOT your GH, why keep going back and forth? I mean it's not like there were districts.
11- Back to outpost, and yes if you all traveled as a group to pick uf the original ferry guy, it's 3 times.

so none of this seemed odd to you? Having to get a quest in a Normal post, to then go through all these steps to end up in a deserted post to go straight to kill Mallyx??

Frankly, Gaile's version makes more sense to me. You opened the chest 7 times, but ANET is also counting the times you went in there and did NOT kill Mallyx. Just because you didn't get his chest all the times you went in, doesn't mean they shouldn't count those visits.

Either way, if ANET were to establish a clear line as to HOW many times you can abuse an exploit before getting permanently banned... players that like shortcuts would find a way around it....

"but I ONLY did it 3 times with my ranger!! and 2 with my Monk, and 3 with my Necro!!!, I didn't know it was 3 times per account!!"

They may have let some things slide that needed to be addressed, like armbraces, I'm all for that, BUT those 117 and all the others that went in there, MOST of them KNEW this was fishy. They were hoping NOT to get caught, and thought if they did get caught the worst case scenario would be a 72 hr ban. Unfortunately for them... ANET has finally sent a LOUD and CLEAR message about cheating. "If you cheat, you MIGHT get caught. If you get caught, we MIGHT Perma Ban you. Before you decide to cheat and exploit the game... THINK TWICE!! "

1. I'm going to bring ignorance up, but just for the sake of my story, which has been basically told to me as worthless.

4 areas completed, tried Mallyx with pug, failed. Friend said "hey, we can help" guest invite to Guild Hall, I got to outpost, and we start the mission, I think, "Oh, just another way to get to Mallyx, no biggie." Complete quest, get reward. "Hey, wanna stay for a few more, idk how many more were doing." "Umm....sure...don't you have to do the other four areas first though?" "Nope," "Ok."

I KNOW some of you will say, how could you not know, it's been said TONS of times in this thread. Look, look at the position I would be in, infact, even more people than me would be in. First time through DoA, NEVER SEEN MALLYX, or his little mission area, ever, absolutely no idea what to do when I get there. With the reassurances of my friends, I made the decision to trust them, that this was neither an exploit or a hack, because my experience in DoA compared to theirs was next to nothing.

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII
Well, that'd depend. If the outpost was originally accessed by a hack, such as in this case according to ANet, I think that there'd still be a few temp-bans, but no permabans because of the whole "No personal gain" thing.

The whole personal gain thing is really wierd as well.

I've been told that none of my appeals will be looked at by now, and I have introduced every aspect of my case.

Basically, this is it: So, I did it 7 times, I'm guilty, I agree, however, I personally gained out of this exploit, and my actions followed: 18 k + 1 Mallyx's Reaver + 3 primeval armor remnants. This is after, however, I gave most of my greens away, along with money for my PvP friend's shield, and a few primeval armor remnants to guildies. I seriously doubt that Anet is considering personal gain in this banning spree.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

apparently i went to the affected area 18 times...
to my knowledge it was like 3-4.
im just wondering if they are taking into account the number of legitimate times i went to mallyx. i farm DOA quad runs. i was doing mallyx 3 times a day legitimately...
any other bannee's surprised by the apparent number of visits reported?
btw i got my reply not so long ago so anet support are working through the weeend to solve this. good dedication...

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

apparently i went to the affected area 18 times...
to my knowledge it was like 3-4.
im just wondering if they are taking into account the number of legitimate times i went to mallyx. i farm DOA quad runs. i was doing mallyx 3 times a day legitimately...
any other bannee's surprised by the apparent number of visits reported?

Oh yeah. Lol. I was REALLY surprised by the number of apparent visits. Even if Gaile did not give me numbers, she told me I visited MANY MANY more times than the 7 I attested for.

SirJackassIII · Jan 13, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Mickey

The whole personal gain thing is really wierd as well.

I've been told that none of my appeals will be looked at by now, and I have introduced every aspect of my case.

Basically, this is it: So, I did it 7 times, I'm guilty, I agree, however, I personally gained out of this exploit, and my actions followed: 18 k + 1 Mallyx's Reaver + 3 primeval armor remnants. This is after, however, I gave most of my greens away, along with money for my PvP friend's shield, and a few primeval armor remnants to guildies. I seriously doubt that Anet is considering personal gain in this banning spree.

Well, technically speaking, you still gained the items in a not so proper fashion and redistributed them in your own way. That'd be dealing in "illegal goods" so to speak. Bottom line being you still gained items. Exploiting the game to dupe Ambraces, then giving them all away in towns doesn't make the duping good either. If anything, it's actually worse for the economy since the items stay there...

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Well, technically speaking, you still gained the items in a not so proper fashion and redistributed them in your own way. That'd be dealing in "illegal goods" so to speak. Bottom line being you still gained items. Exploiting the game to dupe Ambraces, then giving them all away in towns doesn't make the duping good either.

Right, but that was on a large scale, and none of the dupers gave away anything. It's not like I'm putting 100% faith into my argument, lol.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

quote: Basically, this is it: So, I did it 7 times, I'm guilty, I agree, however, I personally gained out of this exploit, and my actions followed: 18 k + 1 Mallyx's Reaver + 3 primeval armor remnants. This is after, however, I gave most of my greens away, along with money for my PvP friend's shield, and a few primeval armor remnants to guildies. I seriously doubt that Anet is considering personal gain in this banning spree.[/QUOTE]

although you yourself did not gain the economy was still populated with illegal goods....

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

quote: Basically, this is it: So, I did it 7 times, I'm guilty, I agree, however, I personally gained out of this exploit, and my actions followed: 18 k + 1 Mallyx's Reaver + 3 primeval armor remnants. This is after, however, I gave most of my greens away, along with money for my PvP friend's shield, and a few primeval armor remnants to guildies. I seriously doubt that Anet is considering personal gain in this banning spree.

although you yourself did not gain the economy was still populated with illegal goods....[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I can see that. Tbh, if Anet really wanted me to, I could contact my Guildies, and my friend, and have them destroy the items.

I mean hell, if Anet really wanted me to, I would wipe anything I got using gemset money. But idk how I am gonna wipe an elite tome I already used, lol, maybe my sins max armor which....no wai...I already deleted....and I got vabbian via kilroy farming. I could wipe my account, Ranger, Necro, as long as my sin was still there, because she came after I had given most of my funds away.

Messy · Jan 13, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Thanks......I didn't say I wouldn't be up for ban. I hope they decide to perma-ban 12 runs+ week or 72 hour bans for 5+ and unbanned for 1-4.

I don't know how ANET came up with the number of times they claim any of you went in there.

The problem with your argument regarding gradual bans is this:

You ran Mallyx 7 times. Even if it was not 21, it is still 3 over the limit ANET has decided that the no ban- perma ban cut off line will be set. So for you, it works out that you did +3 runs more than what would've saved you.

Ok, let's raise the bar... people that did this run more than 10 times will get a perma ban. That saves you ( I know all of you would be thrilled with a temp ban, so I won't even mention that possibility). Now what happens with those guys that did the run 12 times!!! I mean, those that did it 10 times, get their accounts back.... and those that did it 2 times more... lose thousands of hours of their lives.

Ok, let's raise the bar again, those poor 12 times runners... now we will make it 15 runs!!. Under 15 you get a temp ban, over 15 you get a perma ban. Now what happens to those that ran Mallyx 17 times??? I mean those that did it 15 times get their accounts back... and those that did it 2 times more... lose thousands of hours of their lives.

Do you see the pattern??

ANET tried to give some of you the benefit of the doubt!! They felt that maybe some of you guys didn't know what you were doing, and that going in there 1-4 times, EVEN if you killed Mallyx, got gems, got a green.... is more than sufficient times to realize there was something WRONG with this picture, the post looks different from any other post you have ever been to. Get out and don't go back.

Your friends lied to you. They told you it was not an exploit. It is towards them you should be directing your anger.

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

I don't know how ANET came up with the number of times they claim any of you went in there.

The problem with your argument regarding gradual bans is this:

You ran Mallyx 7 times. Even if it was not 21, it is still 3 over the limit ANET has decided that the no ban- perma ban cut off line will be set. So for you, it works out that you did +3 runs more than what would've saved you.

Ok, let's raise the bar... people that did this run more than 10 times will get a perma ban. That saves you ( I know all of you would be thrilled with a temp ban, so I won't even mention that possibility). Now what happens with those guys that did the run 12 times!!! I mean, those that did it 10 times, get their accounts back.... and those that did it 2 times more... lose thousands of hours of their lives.

Ok, let's raise the bar again, those poor 12 times runners... now we will make it 15 runs!!. Under 15 you get a temp ban, over 15 you get a perma ban. Now what happens to those that ran Mallyx 17 times??? I mean those that did it 15 times get their accounts back... and those that did it 2 times more... lose thousands of hours of their lives.

Do you see the pattern??

ANET tried to give some of you the benefit of the doubt!! They felt that maybe some of you guys didn't know what you were doing, and that going in there 1-4 times, EVEN if you killed Mallyx, got gems, got a green.... is more than sufficient times to realize there was something WRONG with this picture, the post looks different from any other post you have ever been to. Get out and don't go back.

Your friends lied to you. They told you it was not an exploit. It is towards them you should be directing your anger .

Meh, seriously, they are all gone now. I'm not going to try and contact them, lol. Anyways, if you did it more than 10 times, into the 15s, and the 20s....you knew what was going on. I did it 7 times, for like, an hour and a half, then stopped. Never went back there. That counts for nothing, but it's something.

I think an edited system for this would be:

5-15: 72-week ban + deletion of items, ect that were farmed, that you still have, that you can get a hold of.
1-4: get off clean, no ban, but deletion of items.
15+: Sorry, just a little to far tbh.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

I don't know how ANET came up with the number of times they claim any of you went in there.

The problem with your argument regarding gradual bans is this:

You ran Mallyx 7 times. Even if it was not 21, it is still 3 over the limit ANET has decided that the no ban- perma ban cut off line will be set. So for you, it works out that you did +3 runs more than what would've saved you.

Ok, let's raise the bar... people that did this run more than 10 times will get a perma ban. That saves you ( I know all of you would be thrilled with a temp ban, so I won't even mention that possibility). Now what happens with those guys that did the run 12 times!!! I mean, those that did it 10 times, get their accounts back.... and those that did it 2 times more... lose thousands of hours of their lives.

Ok, let's raise the bar again, those poor 12 times runners... now we will make it 15 runs!!. Under 15 you get a temp ban, over 15 you get a perma ban. Now what happens to those that ran Mallyx 17 times??? I mean those that did it 15 times get their accounts back... and those that did it 2 times more... lose thousands of hours of their lives.

Do you see the pattern??

ANET tried to give some of you the benefit of the doubt!! They felt that maybe some of you guys didn't know what you were doing, and that going in there 1-4 times, EVEN if you killed Mallyx, got gems, got a green.... is more than sufficient times to realize there was something WRONG with this picture, the post looks different from any other post you have ever been to. Get out and don't go back.

Your friends lied to you. They told you it was not an exploit. It is towards them you should be directing your anger.

peer pressure can have an affect...and especially these so called friends who have been doing it for so long and getting away with it. it does send mixed messages but everytime i was asked to join in i was dubious and stuck with my quad run farm...which to me...was a lot more fun anyway

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

peer pressure can have an affect...and especially these so called friends who have been doing it for so long and getting away with it. it does send mixed messages but everytime i was asked to join in i was dubious and stuck with my quad run farm...which to me...was a lot more fun anyway

Most of my friends did it 100+ times. To me, I thought I was like, doing barely anything.

Thank god I went on vacation, I would have done it so many more times, to the point of absolutely no chance from return of ban, lol.

Messy · Jan 13, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Mickey

I did it 7 times, for like, an hour and a half, then stopped. Never went back there. That counts for nothing, but it's something.

Hmmm, I think in a way you have a valid point there. If you only went in there during that one hour and a half period... and really NEVER went back.... maybe it took you that long for things to click.

Maybe ANET should take into account the players that REALLY only went in there ONCE, did a few back to back runs.... then maybe something CLICKED and they said... "HMMM... let me get out of here, something is not right". Maybe that 1hr of messing up VS the rest of gameplay time of not breaking rules should account for something. I don't know.

Bottom line is, only you know what you did and how many times you really did it.

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

Hmmm, I think in a way you have a valid point there. If you only went in there during that one hour and a half period... and really NEVER went back.... maybe it took you that long for things to click.

Maybe ANET should take into account the players that REALLY only went in there ONCE, did a few back to back runs.... then maybe something CLICKED and they said... "HMMM... let me get out of here, something is not right". Maybe that 1hr of messing up VS the rest of gameplay time of not breaking rules should account for something. I don't know.

Bottom line is, only you know what you did and how many times you really did it.

Yeah, I agree. Once Anet sorts this stuff out, they might, too.

If it really is just a bug, then this is no different from Duncan, a bug that players used to skip parts of hard quests that were not meant to be skipped.

Btw, how many of you would have considered the Duncan Bug (used in much the same manner as this one) to be more or less profitable as this one?

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

i lost a lot of friends to this ban. they were all excellent players also...
their eyes where bigger than their stomaches.
in there defense i will say this (although i am not supporting their actions)
6 months without the bug being fixed...about 80% of all people who came into contact with someone with access eventually started doing it (why such a high percentage?) peer pressure, wanting to be with friends who were busy doing this "farm" only way they could be with friends is by joining in...
the obvious MASS PROFIT also in there, lets not count that out
all my friends who did this were oblivious to the site being hacked...as i said we thought it was the GH trick.
this ban was easily avoidable and common sense would make most turn away but this imo is the way the farmers were thinking to as plus/negatives to whether to do this is or not.50% of my friends reported the bug themselves...
i agree with the ban but also understand where the banned people are coming from

Trub · Jan 13, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Yeah, I agree. Once Anet sorts this stuff out, they might, too.

If it really is just a bug, then this is no different from Duncan, a bug that players used to skip parts of hard quests that were not meant to be skipped.

Mickey...anya:
Is this the same line that the others at the 'Mallyx Party outpost' repeated over and over again?
"It's ok...at most we will get a stinking 72hr ban or something."
"The Duncan exploit was WAYYYYYYY bigger than this, it's ok."
Please, clear this up for the rest of us veiwers?

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Trub

Mickey...anya:
Is this the same line that the others at the 'Mallyx Party' repeated over and over again?
"It's ok...at most we will get a stinking 72hr ban or something."
"The Duncan exploit was WAYYYYYYY bigger than this, it's ok."
Please, clear this up for the rest of us veiwers?

No, lol. Not at all. No one was expecting a ban, most of the people I talked to thought it was just like Duncan. But seriously, NO ONE was expecting a ban. I talked to like, 8 people that did it.

When they fixed it, like, a week ago, everyone moved on. I talked to tons of people, everyone said, it was just like duncan, good while it lasted. Then the bug was posted on guru, another way in. I expect a ton of people went off to do that.

Edit: Basically, I got my reassurance from people that had been farming this for ages. And DoA. I thought it was ok from them, then to turn around and see them banned, I knew it was going to turn out bad.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Trub

Mickey...anya:
Is this the same line that the others at the 'Mallyx Party outpost' repeated over and over again?
"It's ok...at most we will get a stinking 72hr ban or something."
"The Duncan exploit was WAYYYYYYY bigger than this, it's ok."
Please, clear this up for the rest of us veiwers?

no. to my knowledge because it had been going on for so long i think people just thought ...that one day...the bug would get fixed and no harm would come of it.
i never seen anyone saying anything other than "yes ok lets go" and "uhmmm nah no thanks. think i will pass because i might get banned"

edit:most of my friends declined to do it for the first few weeks. they refused...but after the other guys had been doing it for so long they thought it was ok. i seen lots of people decline, half of them went on to do it after it hadnt been fixed for so long.i can say that only about 3 people i know refused to do this permanently, out of about 30 people

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

i cant see ANET lying, i think if they "tought" it was a hack then they would have stated that. the only argument being that the GH trick has been fixed so therefore it cannot be tested. bare in mind that anet only tried to solve this after the GH trick was fixed. if they claikm it was a hack im leaning towards anet, lets face it, their whole tech support knows a lot more than any of us.
BUT and this is important... the GH excuse was extremely believable, especially to those who have no experience with this GH trick as they didnt know the ins and outs of it
the only thing which makes this different from the "duncan bug" is the profitability..both situations are extremely alike the only thing setting them aside is profit margins